Well keep in mind that during most of those meetings he wasn't certain that the demon they were discussing was actually Orcus. Some of the details made him suspicious, but you can't plan based purely on suspicions.

And, moreover despite the fact that Orcus isn't "evil" per-say that doesn't mean that he hasn't (and won't again) come into conflict with the 5 siblings over some things. Obviously, they usually wouldn't have been at the level as what happened on Etterdam because of the fact that they don't actually want him killed and potentially freeing their mutual parents... but he IS technically opposed to being a god on principle.

another confusion i have for volume 2 is how do you demonize arachnids? how do you get them to smoke the weed?

Actually, saying the 5 siblings broke their Oath isn't fair. Tiernon and Torean broke the oath. The other 3 made it pretty clear in Apostles of Doom that they told their followers not to oppose Orcus, and that they were angry with their brothers for not doing the same. This doesn't, of course, mean that Orcus won't hold all 5 responsible for what happened... just that 3 of them are technically not oath breakers.

As for Orcus not being aggressive against the 5 siblings on Etterdam... well he probably wasn't in a position where he could. Fighting Net's forces alone was probably a serious drain for Doom, pretty sure he is the El'asdir God of War. He did have most of his D'Orcs on Etterdam at that time (noted by the D'Orcs on Nysegard being so few after his death) which shows that he needed to draw down forces elsewhere to have enough might to oppose Net. I suspect that Sentir Fallon, being the deceptive and treacherous bastard that he is, likely didn't bring the church into direct opposition with Orcus until shortly before they were ready to kill Orcus. Obviously, that could easily be a few decades but that still wouldn't have let Orcus enough time to start punishing his step-brother for the "betrayal"... especially since he had no idea that he was about to be "permanently" destroyed by an antimus filled dagger. Note: I'm not saying that the Etterdam Church of Tiernon hadn't entered the conflict against the Orcs and D'Orcs prior to Sentir Fallon... just that they weren't a major threat without Sentir Fallon who undoubtedly brought other Tierhallic (i.e. heavenly assets, mana, Saints, Archons, etc) support.

And I agree, he isn't evil. I'm pretty sure I specified that he isn't evil, just that his opposition to other gods could bring him into conflict with his step-siblings on occasion.

Hey Tizzy,

One thing I haven't been able to figure out is the statement that Mt. Doom had multiple reports of Chaos Maelstroms in space (even though they were the Shaman's last reports). As I'm sure you know, the temperature in the vacuum of space is at least as cold as Tom made things in the Abyss during the post-party battle. So how did the Knights of Chaos manage to win those fights rather than "cracking up" so to speak? Did they just forget to bring their thermal underwear that day since the target was in the Abyss?

Thanks,

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It would be very hard, since there isn't much other than radiation and very scattered infrequent matter.

Sort of like trying to order the very last 0.01% of matter.

And there are some details missing from that description, where was the maelstrom? Was it in M-space, Ӕ-space (or the ӔV) or ??

That might make a difference. In particular, as we know, there is no Ӕ-space in the Abyss and thus of course no ӔV either, of course the interesting thing then would be with no ӔV, you can't travel faster than the speed of light in the Abyss. So, assuming it's infinite, it could take a really really long time to get to the most remote locations. Unless of course, the speed of light is much faster in the Abyss, or, maybe there is no speed of light? But that seems like it would really screw up the physics of the place, so I would have to assume there is a speed of light in the Abyss. But I suppose it could be as fast as in Ӕ-space. Or could it? It's the unique dimensionality of Ӕ-space that allows one to go exponentially faster than M-space light, not a per se very high speed of light, and the Abyss does not appear to have that dimensionality, so you couldn't create the same sort of Abyssal Vortex.

Hmm. Well thank goodness for boom gates and teleportation etc. If we know where we are going, we can just hop gates or create a new gate.

Of course, if we don't know where we are going, we can't ever get there that way. We'd need to "know" the place to get there.

Hmm, seems like it would be mighty easy to hide in the Abyss. Who knows what's out there?

Very good point.

But don't forget the 3 degree background radiation!

It's not that warm, both those 3 degrees of kelvin can almost fry bacon, which is why you hear about "3 degrees of kelvin bacon!" It's just not the necessary 6 degrees of kelvin bacon that you need.

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Good points.

I would say I am not an expert on Chaos Maelstrom's and exactly what the bubble they are in, when in a Maelstrom is. In the Abyss, they were riding with in it on horses. I am doubting they would be riding in horses in outer space. My bet is that they were in some sort of spacecraft.

Because while it is true that Tom froze them out in the Abyss, and thus it is possible they might not survive in the vacuum of space (unlike a demon for example), neither can humans. Not sure if you've seen what happens to a human shot out an airlock, without a space suit, but it isn't pretty.

Anyway, the maelstrom, the inky blackness, was actually taken down by the gravity canons, not the cold. And I should point out that it was not just cold, but mana suction also. Tom was using the doomnet to suck all the heat out, AND, all the mana. Being agents of Chaos, the Knights, with sufficient mana should be able to warm themselves, and shield themselves, but Tom was actually sucking the mana out of the region also, thus depriving them of the ability to get more mana, and possibly even stealing mana they had.

So in someways, it was not unlike what happened to the avatars and Orcus, in interdiction regions. The difference was, that was cutting off energy from other planes, in this case it was sucking up all the mana in the region, keeping them from getting more, or at least slowing them down enough so that they could be weakened and killed.

It wasn't the cold so much that killed them, it was literally Talarius, D'Orcs and Sekmekt's forces. Tom just weakened them enough so they could be more effective.

As far as where the shaman would be to see the maelstrom, that depends on what adjacent planes, etherial and astral etc. it exists on. In terms of what a shaman can see from M-space...I am going to leave that for OOA, where that is an important factor in the story.

Of course, you realize that was exactly what I was thinking when I wrote that.

I have to admit, that in my very short life, I have never actually tried dunking a human in interstellar vacuum to see what happens. I know, I know, we all have our regrets and our 'bucket list.' So that is my reference point.

I do sort of wish we had a Doomalogue on Mars. It's a very nice planet, tad chilly, but the landscape is very homey. And no fireballs. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing. They are very pretty, but also a bit distracting.

Actually, I did the bacon thing myself. Took about 3.234 million years to get it crunchy but...very tasty....a tad time consuming though.

Not at all! That would be impossible for me to do, since I have no idea how old I am! I've just been as long as I have been, no longer, no less. In fact, I can honestly say that I don't remember a time when I wasn't. Thus I have no idea when I started, since I can't remember anything before that time.