I'm not an electromancer so I don't know.

However, they claim that they need the lodestones to translate the electricity into motion. Apparently lodestones produce magicnet fields or something like that, which interacts somehow with electricity to produce motion.

See you admit your boom is really all about changing air pressure, like I said earlier...Enchanters can change air pressure without needing a boom. That's what the air shields are, concentrated high pressure regions. Or so I am told. The best method depends on which uses less mana: changing air pressure directly or indirectly via booms. I'm guessing it can vary.

There are multiple ways to skin a human as the saying goes. (Bess does not approve of alternate versions of this saying.)

I am also told one can pedal a bicycle with one leg, although it's a bit herky jerky.

Magic can allow one to do things that would otherwise be impossible and one could simply use strength to accomplish what they want. A smart mana wielder would use the most efficient design in a given situation but this would originally involve somebody very knowledgeable in the field in which they are manipulating, but how things would eventually play out would very between the various groups. Wizards are set to auto and have the spell do everything for them. They often don't see how the magic reacts at every step and simply see the end result. If one can't use a spell they are simply to weak. It also takes a lot of time and effort to make new spells, so they normally study in their field. Animages use a manual manipulation and would require extensive knowledge in the field from which they are manipulating.

Also will Tom take an actual liberal approach to animagic and ask to be tutored in other fields? He looks young and know enough to look partially taught, but not enough to appear trained. He could claim he was apprenticed to an animage who died during his training while he was still young, but after he had learned to read. This would be less suspicious than a liberal who avoids masters of other crafts. Though using linkamancy to unbind himself and astralmancy to visit astlan would be a nice combo. If demons could open and close portals at will they could just assasinate any body who could oppose them or increase their numbers with mortal women, as most of the energy is provided for by demons with that method.

Well Maou if Rosver keeps wanting me to respond with answers no demon should know the answer to, you might be able to figure Rupert out...

Hint hint.

I think the misunderstanding with what I am saying and you are saying Rosver is "what exactly is the boom" what is the "force, and what is it acting against" in terms of Newton's third law. F=dp/dt = dm/dt+dv/dt and most people forget the dm/dt part.

If you want to talk an explosion/boom, then I would argue the boom that makes a rocket go vs a jet, then I'd be more amenable to that. A rocket works in space by transforming the mass of it's fuel into a gas and then expelling it in a directed manner. However, it is also the dm/dt that's happening here, so it literally is the explosion (or more precisely the conversion and expelling of the gas)driving the rocket. But both are "pressure booms" in a way.

The boom is the gas pressure change and expelling of gas in a directed manner, not the fire or pyromancy part. All the pyromancy is doing is changing a liquid or solid to a gaseous state that takes up more space, thus creating a high pressure region (which is what's doing the pushing)

In the case of the jet, the turbine is sucking air into the combustion chamber, combining it with jet fuel, converting the liqued fuel to a vry hot gas. Thus in the combustion chamber you now have a very hot (hotter gas==higher pressure) that seeks equilibrium and rushes out the exhaust expanding into a lower pressure region, basically you are creating a small high pressure region at the end of the engine that's pushing the plane forward as the gas heads the other way to the lower pressure region. That's Newton's third law, it's the quickly changing gas pressure pushing the jet.

What I am saying in all of this is that there are other ways to change gas pressure and cause a carpet or other item to go than just combustion. Aeromastery is the literal direct manipulation of gases with mana.


And Maou is correct in what he's saying about most efficient design, the air shields are uniform and relatively solid and nicely shaped, like an aerodynamic car. Thus you can create a nice airflow over the top of the carpet, if you design the shield properly, then you can even reduce air pressure on top and increase lift. The key to an airplane wing is that you want the air on top of the wing to move faster than the air under the wing. Given that the true overall velocity of the carpet is fixed, if you require the air on top of the wing to travel a greater distance than the air under the wing, it "travels further" in the same time and thus creates a lower pressure region and lifts the carpet by sucking it up.

So of course, part of Maou's question is: how the hell do they know this? Well a lot of trial and error, but more importantly aeromancers can sense and manipulate the air directly, something Earth scientists can't do. Thus creating wind tunnels and other simulators for practice and very direct observation is much easier in Astlan.


As to tutoring? Who's he going to ask without revealing himself? That will be tricky. Also, having time to sit down and study will be hard to come by...but I am sure that will be his plan once he gets time to create a plan.


I think Jenn is concerned about Rupert because he's a kid, she was basically in charge of the kids and Rupert is/has been an oddball that requires more attention. Particularly lately. Remember Trisfelt took the other kids to safety and so she was left protecting just Rupert, who was not making it easy for her.

Half demons are evil too. Clearly.

I thought the power levels of demons are suppose to be a spectrum? I believe that there isn't any accurate way to measure a demon's true strength. There's the mirror but that only provides the general area.

I don't think Tom's a 8th order, look back at the beginning chapters when Lenamare's school was being besiged and when Jenn was kidnapped.
Tom handled several 3rd order Demons easily, i think there's a HUGE difference between levels, which become less as demons get stronger.(i don't count the Demon Princes into it because i think they are exceptions, they outstrip archedemons by a lot)

Tom could (with some difficulty) decimate 2 third order demons and if you look back at Bess,Exador and that other guy, remember that they said about fourth order demons during the match between Tom and Talarius?
They said that a normal fourth order wouldn't have lasted long and that only really strong 4th orders could withstand the Rod(which Tom was perceived to be) Ramses spoke about the battle as if he considered it difficult but certainly doable, he even states that fifth order demons could definitely overcome the odds and win.

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Their is 1 rank 7 demon who is missing, so the demon princes and archfiends are trying to establish power. Rank 6, 5, and maybe a few rank 4 greater demons. I know they compete for power due to references, but it is hard for me to guess if politics is done in boredom or for actual position. The abyss would be more interesting if demons could siphon power from each other. But no rank 8 exists, though on the continuum of power how quickly can one grow. I believe as animus is dictated by experience, somebody new to the world would grow more quickly than one who is familiar with it. Also somebody who always chooses to try new things would get more than somebody who does the same thing repetitively. But how would this translate and are their certain things a demon could do to increase this natural process?

From what I remember starship shields aren't really aerodynamic either, shaped like ellipsoid if I remember correctly after all there is no air in space. Those artificial satelites circling the earth for example would break apart if they travel in air for even moderate speed.

Also domes aren't aerodynamic too.

JMBT: I'm only following where a misinformation would lead. Here the misinfo is Rupert and Tom's relationship and from what I know about demonic children.

And hey Tizzy unfair, that info about demon children and power levels are not in the book or in this site.

Also to make such scale you need to know the weakest and the strongest possible to mark the lowest and the highest end of the scale like the Mohs scale of mineral hardness. For the Mohs scale the softest is talc with hardness scale of 1, hardest is diamond with hardness scale of 10. Now the problem is, it is mentioned that the level scale of demon power is man made, like the Mohs scale. Now how do these humans know the strogest possible in terms of demonic strength for them to make 6 the top? Where is the Mohs' diamond?

Not to mention, many scales that has been used are often adjusted and extended. The Mohs scale for example tops at 10 (diamond), but then there are materials that are harder than diamonds (like hyperdiamonds) and thus they are out of bounds in the Mohs scale.

No its not relative. Old transportation doesn't need to be aerodynamic because they travel slowwwwwly. Now jet planes and airplanes and racing cars are different matter. A sphere might work very well say for an hellicopter, which most doesn't really travel very fast, but with jet planes, it is a disaster!

And then you point at the problem. The demonic scale is unscientific based on belief and crazy shits. Then how can it be exact at the maximum and minimum? Mohs scale used a lot of studies and scientific stuff and still it proves inexact and nonlinear. the scale being based on inexact and crazy shits but result to an exact measure is preposterous.

Talarius mirror also has this flaw. It is more refined, sensitive and accurate but it still follows the crazy shit based demon scale. If it was based on an inexact theory then it is also inexact.

People faithfuly believe that the earth is flat and it is the center of the univers. Such belief and faith on such would bring ridicule today.

Huh? Vehicles in the 60's and 70's are quite aerodynamic and the science of aerodynamics are quite well understood at that time.

Aerodynamic design is very much abused in those times. Many appliances (like toasters and radios) are aerodynamic in design even when there is no need to be so.

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Hmm. It is just mysterious. Well, how TV works is mysterious for me as well (not really, but for many it is). The mirror is very unique in all the magical objects I've seen so far.

Wait, are you implying that there isn't really much of a difference between a God and a Demon? A Demon can be a God? Serious stuff there.

Unless you count those extremely old ones. Old Cadillacs isn't really that aerodynamic.

Yes many cars are not aerodynamic even today (mini van, double decker bus) but then they aren't race cars and thus aerodynamics aren't really critical. Race cars (formula one, those cigar shaped cars), airplanes and jet planes are different beasts. Aerodynamics is critical to achieve great speed.

Also, I don't really say that non aerodynamic cars won't travel fast or travel at all. I just mean that they aren't efficient by creating drag and wasting lot of energy at high speeds.

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Okay, no demon gods. Well I was thinking it was just to much if that is possible.

If a god has no worshipers? I think the god would still survive. The god should have some capability to produce mana bu its own I think and that should be suffice for survival. The god won't have that much power though.

Hmmm, the power dynamics of Gods are very different from Demons.

Could a god and their agents be beings whom draw energy from the faith of their followers or beings whom rely on energy externally to power themselves, while demons rely on power stored internally within themselves. This means demons would grow more slowly, but have more freedom in their actions without wizards, while gods would be restricted in that they would have to follow the expectations of their followers.

So hypothetically what would happen if a god, one of their direct agents, or an avatar where cut off from the god pool? Demons are powered by their own individual souls, while gods by faith and emotion, so would Tom's little trick possibly weaken the flow of power to the various gods. As such I expect a jam between the channeler and their power would be devastating to the divine. Pros and cons of both. External power isn't totally in your control, can only use it for limited purposes, grows quickly, but dependent on the faith of people and their emotions. Internal grows slowly, complete control over power, much harder to separate power from internal source than an external source. Again an item that could separate one from external mana would be awesome to use against the divine, clerics, warlocks, and druids.

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